Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Not when you're taking him with your first pick in the 1st round.
At 58 great I'll overlook the 40 - or even in a trade back to 35-40 I'll overlook the 40 as we get a couple additional picks to offset that risk.
At 27 - not overlooking the 40. If he could run sub 4.6 he'd have ran the 40. As a competitor I don't care what my agent says I'm running a 40 - unless I'm slow and I know it. What is the only reason an agent would not advise it? Because he will post a slow time. At least Avieon Terrell ran his 40 even though it showed his marginal speed in the 4.6s. Respect to him.
How many WRs have been drafted in the 1st round that ran a 4.6 or higher? He also has separation issues vs the better competition he played.
Boston is a mid-2nd round pick imo due to his speed.
Doesn't mean I don't like him as a player. I do. And would be very happy to draft him after trading back or at 58. If he's gone no big deal lots of other really good players to draft.
As a Niner fan if we draft him at #27 I'll support it only because he is a good player in general and helps our WR room. I actually hope we dont draft him and can see if I'm wrong and see where he actually ends up getting picked.
Would you rather have Boston at 27 or Stribling in the late 3rd after trading back to the early 2nd. Warming on Stribling just not at 58 after watching more and more of him esp blocking - dude looks and plays like Jennings but with some speed. Problem is cannot guarantee Stribling is there so could easily be gone and then you get no one and Boston (if they like him a lot) is sitting there at 27. Obv you trade back no matter what if an offer is there but if cannot trade back ... then Stribling is not an option unless falls to the 4th as he is not worth 58.
Is he running the 40 for you, or for NFL teams?
You say agent is advising player not to run. Im saying if it was a question that NFL teams wanted answered, and they told the agent we want him to run a 40 in order to draft him, then the agent will advise player to run.
Moral of the story: 40 yard dash has become nothing more than entertainment for fans.
Your stance about taking him at 35 with no 40 but definitely not at 27 honestly makes zero sense. You are saying its too risky without a 40....which means you already think hes slow....which means he looks slow on tape...which means the 40 time doesn't matter because either it proves what you alreadu know, or it is irrelevant because it doesnt translate to the field.
At 35 we get extra picks for moving back. It makes a large handful of players acceptable to draft there due to the additional draft capital gained. A lot easier to stomach drafting a 4.6+ guy with our first pick when we get at least two additional picks to address more talent to the team. Also at 35 you're not passing on better players that may have went between 27 and 35.
So yeah there is a difference.
Look it's ok if you dont care he didnt run a 40. It doesnt sit well with me that a perfectly healthy guy would just be like nope not running - meaning he knows his stock goes down if he runs. Tate ran a 4.53 still an acceptable time. Tyson and KC had an injury.
Hell if Boston ran a 4.53-4.55 he prob solidifies a top 25 selection in the draft as that would be a great time for him. So obv he is a 4.6+ guy
So my question to you and NY and others is... if he did run and ran a 4.65 would you still want him to be the pick at #27? Im genuinely curious.
They've been the best drafting team in the last 3 drafts.