All Pro OT Trent Williams

Ultimately this is the fault of the Niners and their lack of interest in finding Trent's replacement. They've had years to draft and train his replacement. The Niners failure to do so has made this the perfect place to maximize his earning power. Great job to Trent in being able to squeeze the 49ers at every opportunity and successfully doing so.

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Ultimately this is the fault of the Niners and their lack of interest in finding Trent's replacement. They've had years to draft and train his replacement. The Niners failure to do so has made this the perfect place to maximize his earning power. Great job to Trent in being able to squeeze the 49ers at every opportunity and successfully doing so.

This and he knows it.

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Ultimately this is the fault of the Niners and their lack of interest in finding Trent's replacement. They've had years to draft and train his replacement. The Niners failure to do so has made this the perfect place to maximize his earning power. Great job to Trent in being able to squeeze the 49ers at every opportunity and successfully doing so.

This and he knows it.

This may be true to some extent but when have they had a chance to draft a tackle good enough to replace Williams. They draft late nearly every year and they often have more immediate needs. They've drafted a few late round guys but none have developed into anything close to Williams. Colton has become a decent tackle but nowhere near all pro.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Yeah, it's been awhile. Too long in my opinion. But I can see them using the first round pick on the BA OT left on the board, OR an LT that fits Kyle's offense. Remember, Kyle LOVES to pull his tackles and guards on running plays. We saw a lot of that out of TW three seasons ago when nobody could touch CM around the left side. Those sweep plays were absolutely legendary. I think that's the kind of ball attack that both Kyle and John want to get back too. So you need an athletic type of tackle that can really move. I think you also have the backs in CM and Jordan James. I am looking for a big year out of JJ.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Yeti:
When have the 49ers replaced anyone on the offensive line in the draft?

2018

Yeah, it's been awhile. Too long in my opinion. But I can see them using the first round pick on the BA OT left on the board, OR an LT that fits Kyle's offense. Remember, Kyle LOVES to pull his tackles and guards on running plays. We saw a lot of that out of TW three seasons ago when nobody could touch CM around the left side. Those sweep plays were absolutely legendary. I think that's the kind of ball attack that both Kyle and John want to get back too. So you need an athletic type of tackle that can really move. I think you also have the backs in CM and Jordan James. I am looking for a big year out of JJ.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Yeah, it's been awhile. Too long in my opinion. But I can see them using the first round pick on the BA OT left on the board, OR an LT that fits Kyle's offense. Remember, Kyle LOVES to pull his tackles and guards on running plays. We saw a lot of that out of TW three seasons ago when nobody could touch CM around the left side. Those sweep plays were absolutely legendary. I think that's the kind of ball attack that both Kyle and John want to get back too. So you need an athletic type of tackle that can really move. I think you also have the backs in CM and Jordan James. I am looking for a big year out of JJ.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Yeah, it's been awhile. Too long in my opinion. But I can see them using the first round pick on the BA OT left on the board, OR an LT that fits Kyle's offense. Remember, Kyle LOVES to pull his tackles and guards on running plays. We saw a lot of that out of TW three seasons ago when nobody could touch CM around the left side. Those sweep plays were absolutely legendary. I think that's the kind of ball attack that both Kyle and John want to get back too. So you need an athletic type of tackle that can really move. I think you also have the backs in CM and Jordan James. I am looking for a big year out of JJ.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Yeah, it's been awhile. Too long in my opinion. But I can see them using the first round pick on the BA OT left on the board, OR an LT that fits Kyle's offense. Remember, Kyle LOVES to pull his tackles and guards on running plays. We saw a lot of that out of TW three seasons ago when nobody could touch CM around the left side. Those sweep plays were absolutely legendary. I think that's the kind of ball attack that both Kyle and John want to get back too. So you need an athletic type of tackle that can really move. I think you also have the backs in CM and Jordan James. I am looking for a big year out of JJ.

Those sweep plays. Williams ran a 4.91 forty. Joe Staley-4.8. That speed allowed them to get to the LB and unfortunate CB's after chucking the DE. There are 3-4 OT's that run a sub 5 forty in the draft. Then you get to the athleticism. The speed requirement would leave out Kaden Proctor, a combination of Trent Brown and Bubba Paris. My crush was Trevor Goosby of Texas but we'll have to wait till next year. Williams wants guaranteed money. Ok so guarantee this, his final year. Just what does he want guaranteed for the next year or two? Don't allow him to put the team in a bind when he's gone-he probably doesn't care. Does he deserve top dollar knowing injuries and age have to be factored in? He's already made $200 million. Spare me his 'security' concerns.

The top dollar he'll want can be gotten from another team. Nobody has $33 million so he appears stuck. A cap hit for $47 million this year and free agency next year would allow him to 'bet' on himself. Do you really think he'd take that gamble? If that were the case we wouldn't be having this drama. Since nobody has the $33 million cap space I'd entertain paying a part of his salary commensurate with higher draft capital in a trade.

Originally posted by jakedogg:
The top dollar he'll want can be gotten from another team. Nobody has $33 million so he appears stuck. A cap hit for $47 million this year and free agency next year would allow him to 'bet' on himself. Do you really think he'd take that gamble? If that were the case we wouldn't be having this drama. Since nobody has the $33 million cap space I'd entertain paying a part of his salary commensurate with higher draft capital in a trade.

We don't care what he does next year. Trent will always be appreciated here as one of the best but it is time to move on even if his tank 70% next year. He knows this and will get every penny possible this year as it's the last here. And if not, the 9ers have serious issues taking care of the OL. This draft has to be heavy OL best available.

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Ultimately this is the fault of the Niners and their lack of interest in finding Trent's replacement. They've had years to draft and train his replacement. The Niners failure to do so has made this the perfect place to maximize his earning power. Great job to Trent in being able to squeeze the 49ers at every opportunity and successfully doing so.

This and he knows it.

And so does everyone here.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Ultimately this is the fault of the Niners and their lack of interest in finding Trent's replacement. They've had years to draft and train his replacement. The Niners failure to do so has made this the perfect place to maximize his earning power. Great job to Trent in being able to squeeze the 49ers at every opportunity and successfully doing so.

This and he knows it.

This may be true to some extent but when have they had a chance to draft a tackle good enough to replace Williams. They draft late nearly every year and they often have more immediate needs. They've drafted a few late round guys but none have developed into anything close to Williams. Colton has become a decent tackle but nowhere near all pro.

I was gonna say this, it's hard to find a legit LT and it's not like we didn't have that position locked in since 2020 (before that with Joe) or had the high end capital to get one.

it's also not easy to just toss a guy inside then move them outside. That might be an option this yr but who knows. They've been trying to win a SB and looking for production from their higher end picks the past couple yrs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Ultimately this is the fault of the Niners and their lack of interest in finding Trent's replacement. They've had years to draft and train his replacement. The Niners failure to do so has made this the perfect place to maximize his earning power. Great job to Trent in being able to squeeze the 49ers at every opportunity and successfully doing so.

This and he knows it.

This may be true to some extent but when have they had a chance to draft a tackle good enough to replace Williams. They draft late nearly every year and they often have more immediate needs. They've drafted a few late round guys but none have developed into anything close to Williams. Colton has become a decent tackle but nowhere near all pro.

I was gonna say this, it's hard to find a legit LT and it's not like we didn't have that position locked in since 2020 (before that with Joe) or had the high end capital to get one.

it's also not easy to just toss a guy inside then move them outside. That might be an option this yr but who knows. They've been trying to win a SB and looking for production from their higher end picks the past couple yrs.

Finding a true all pro level LT is about as hard as finding a true franchise QB. I'm talking about a guy that can be your anchor for 8 or 10 years. Maybe more. Like you pointed out they had Staley and then Williams so that wasn't they're top priority all those years. Picking a tackle in the 3rd round or later may get you a starter but no one on Trent's level.

To plan 3-4 years ahead they'll have to draft. Trent is 1-2 years away. At WR Evans/Kirk are one year contracts and at DE Keion White is in his last year. The stop gap signings will put the need for a first round WR on the back burner for next year or so-which one of those positions go in round one or two? Pass rush is the biggest need. The 2 WR's Cowlings and (who's the other?) could step up and the position would be set for a couple of years. Good pass rushers don't get drafted in the 2nd round without luck being involved so which one is it? The bottom fell out on defense last year and now we gotta worry about protecting Purdy the big investment.

I don't want to trade him and I know at his current cap hit - it'll be very hard to trade him l.

Question: is it possible we rework a new deal with him and then trade him? Like have a trade in place and then we redo the contract to make it work for another team?

Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't want to trade him and I know at his current cap hit - it'll be very hard to trade him l.

Question: is it possible we rework a new deal with him and then trade him? Like have a trade in place and then we redo the contract to make it work for another team?

We trying to win this year so no. If we weren't we'd have dealt Mac Jones already

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This may be true to some extent but when have they had a chance to draft a tackle good enough to replace Williams. They draft late nearly every year and they often have more immediate needs. They've drafted a few late round guys but none have developed into anything close to Williams. Colton has become a decent tackle but nowhere near all pro.

I rarely go down the coulda, woulda, shoulda route, but in hindsight. The smart move would have been to take Tristan Wirfs instead of Kinlaw, I was certainly hoping they would. He was there when the Niner's picked and they still could have made the deal for Aiyuk, though that one didn't work out so well either.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
I rarely go down the coulda, woulda, shoulda route, but in hindsight. The smart move would have been to take Tristan Wirfs instead of Kinlaw, I was certainly hoping they would. He was there when the Niner's picked and they still could have made the deal for Aiyuk, though that one didn't work out so well either.

>>in hindsight. The smart move would have been to take Tristan Wirfs instead of Kinlaw

Thank you Captain Obvious. I mean, of course everyone will agree with this because you are absolutely correct, but it is useless to look backwards and say that we should have done this or that.....nobody has a crystal ball to see into the future, so the draft will always be somewhat of a crap-shoot.

Probably won't get it done till just before week 1